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How do you go about editing photos? I shot about 700 for my last wedding and need to choose the best 72 for prints and the best 200 (which will include the 72) for a disk. I find this takes a long time and I wonder if people have come up with shortcuts. I find I do an initial edit of obviously bad ones. Then a tighter edit. Then I renumber. I'm finding myself sorting into Yes, No, Maybe folders.
Part of this is probably an extension of my personality where I keep many things thinking they may be useful one day; I find it hard to get rid of photos too.
Part of this is probably an extension of my personality where I keep many things thinking they may be useful one day; I find it hard to get rid of photos too.
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Re: Editing Workflow
Mon, May 22, 2006 - 8:46 AMThis is something that the digital age has brought us. Now we can take so many pix it takes a long time to determine which ones to use and which to discard. I basically do what you're doing. It takes a lot of time. The up side is the more photos you take the better the odds are of having really good ones.
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Sun, May 28, 2006 - 8:24 AMPhoto Mechanic is a kick ass editing program. It can be found at camerabits.com/. It costs roughly $150 but you use a trial version for about 20 days. It is a fabulous program that allows you to browse many images quickly and efficiently.
Adobe Photoshop, under File from the menu line, has a browse option as well. However, it is difficult to see the images compared to Mechanic. -
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Thu, June 1, 2006 - 7:30 AMI shoot les images ..i don't agree shooting alot..ie more images increases my chances of getting something good.
I get alot of good work by thinking and using my talent while shooting..I hate editing.I once worked for a very well known Photographer,who shot 3 Frames on an 8x 10 view camera after 2 days of setup.There were 6 very famous celebrities in the photograph..It freaked my shit.But what i learned that day was..you can know what you want.Using all you know and
collect as an Artist..Technician..is the most Valuable tool you have..Shoot less the best photographers do..they don't rely on volume..throw shit away..Get Selective get brave..be bold it will make you the most kick ass photographer..from start to finish!
By the way I Edit all raw in Nikon Pro Capture..by the time i am finished there are no maybe's nothing to look back on..that is
why Digital can be such a waste of you're Valuable time..Silky -
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Thu, June 1, 2006 - 10:10 AMI think it's a balance between quantity and quality. I do believe that the better photographer you are, the less you should need to shoot. If you have mastery over your equipment and are poised and ready for "the decisive moment", you shouldn't have to shoot loads just to get a few good shots.
But wedding photography is a bit of its own beast. It's not something you can say "Can we try that again?" You don't have the luxury of setting things up and then carefully shooting a few images. If you don't get it, you're screwed. -
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Thu, June 1, 2006 - 4:33 PMa fast computer, File browser or Bridge depending which CS you are using. Create a hero’s folder. As you browse the images pull the best into that folder until you have covered what your client needs. I can plow through 400 to 500 hounded in about an hour. As far as weddings go, make folders for the specific events formals, ceremony, candid and reception. You should be able to see immediately what is good and what is crap. Use the same eye you shoot with to edit.
But over all I agree with Silky. Create what you want, don’t rely on quantity to get lucky. That applies to weddings as well. Back in the day I shot over 200 weddings to start my biz with film. Film & processing costs money, I would set the amount of images I needed to cover and get what I wanted within that realm Max 450(5 rolls 220 645 format and 8 rolls 135) images for 7 to 10hrs coverage
Good luck
Peace
B
Www.brianfrancis.net
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Fri, June 2, 2006 - 12:41 AMClients are dumb, and they don't know formal that they need to smile and not blink.
They expect u to get the shots right the first time.
I have this problem when I photograph formal shots with politicians, my clients want to look good with them. -
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Fri, June 2, 2006 - 3:58 PMSome people are just bad photo subjects too. They do all sorts of unatrractive stupid things in front of a camera and then turn around and complain they look bad.
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Fri, June 2, 2006 - 9:35 PMXine,
What I do that works efficiently for me, is to open up the image cards in Bridge (Or file browser) and do a batch save as to my external hard drive of all the originals so I have them all on file. Then I scroll through in the bridge program one at a time and rate the images. It takes about an hour for 400-500 images or so. After I have them rated, I sort by rating, then do a batch save as of all the 5* ratings to an A Pics folder for the specific client. All the 4* ratings (or the ones that on first glance looked like they would require extra editing) I do a batch save as to a B Pics folder. Then I'll open up each of A images and only edit the ones that are really good. For example, if I have 150 A pics, chances are I've got 45 strong images in there. I save those edited images to a separate tiff folder, and I also make web sized versions of the same images at the same time, saved to a web sized folder. Then it's on to the B pics, rinse repeat. The B pics usually yield about 20-30 that are worth editing. They get saved, after editing in the Tiff and websized folders respectively. I never give the client the origianl un-edited images unless we specifically agreed upon that prior to the shoot.
This process is a lot of folders and file management, but it's saved my ass a few times. I would say using this sorting process, I can then edit and complete the turn around of the media to the client in 3-5 days depending on how many images I shot originally, and how many I actually edited.
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Sun, November 12, 2006 - 3:38 PMXine, if you're going to be shooting wedding and events on a regular basis, you need to come up with a workflow strategy. The strategy depends on the application you're using to import, organize, manage and proecess your photos. It also depends on your output in terms of what you're promising the client--wedding album, proofs, etc.
I'm for example starting to use Apple's Aperture program--a free trial version is available for download. My strategy includes importing all photos. Keywording, organizing, rating them using smart folders. Next create a DVD back up for all the project/client's photos. I also have back up on my a second hard drive in which backups all the adjustments I make to the the photos. I work through each folder, organize by subject: ceremony, dancing, formal portraits, details, etc. I try to focus my adjustments on 5 and 4 star photos that I think the client will like and the would be good for an album. I weed out of course all the bumbers as I go along. Using the smart folders, the rejects and 1-2 rated photos get taken out automatically. My over-all workflow is put all the good processed photos on a DVD for my clients. From there we work on photo selections for their albums. I'm trying to get away from selling individual pictures. I rather give the photos to my clients and charge them on the front in for any picture sales I might have made. I do however put their photos on Printroom.com so they can make pictures there if they want.
Anyway, that's my workflow in a nutshell. As a photographer, you have to create that works for you. Constantly refine and work it to the point of getting jobs done as good possible but at the same time maximizing your profits. I still spend too much time processing photos and am working to speed up that workflow as much as I can. Having your workflow outlined (with screen shots and notes to self) really helps you think about you're doing. It may take three or four jobs figure our your flow, but it helps in the long run. Even being able to import your photos a laptop computer while you're on the jobe can save you time. That's why I decided to put Aperture on my laptop. I figure I could probably get at least two cards uploaded during receptions. I also the laptop for a quick slide showl
Oh, and finally, look for a good book on workflow tips and strategies for Photoshop. I'm reading Conrad Chavez's Working Smart in Adobe Photoshop CS2 which offers some very good suggestions for getting into and through Photoshoped projects. -
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Tue, January 2, 2007 - 10:35 AMShoot smarter edit less !! Xine I suggest you rent a 4x5 for a week and go shoot with that. The fact that it slows you down and you need to think out everything before shooting really helps you shoot better ! Anyways there are a few applications that you can use for what you want. Aperture is a good program that has some benefits to it such as batch fixing dust that if you are not extremely careful and clean your camera regularly is a total likelihood. Bridge especially CS2 version of it is also another great way to do this. Although for selects and monitoring RAW workflow I probably would say use aperture. We use a bit of both and I have been trying to get the people at Adobe to incorporate a way for the info done in Aperture to be cross platform to CS2. I don't know if they will listen but lots of people in my Association are asking for the same thing. Also having another person do your edits is actually better as they are not emotionally tied to the imagery. In our studio our shooters never first edit their own work we always swop with another shooter.
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Tue, January 2, 2007 - 8:57 PMGee I posted that thread about 8 months ago and I'm still struggling. I wish someone could help me. I do think that another person doing the edit would be the biggest help. Let me see if I can be more clear about my problem.
I'm shooting action. There's little time to carefully compose a shot. People are constantly moving, lighting situations change. My composition and technique continues to improve so I have more good images to choose from. Take less images? Maybe.
I'm shooting photodocumentary style. I'd love it if every image was perfectly composed and lit *AND* fit into the story I'm trying to tell. If that ever happens, I will have reached Nirvana. Until then...sometimes the composition is less than perfect but it fits well into the story. I bring up the photo (in Windows Explorer because I want to see it big) and don't love it. But it's not bad so I don't file it right away. I then go to the next image. Similar but slightly different body gesture. I go back to the first one. Still don't love it but I might like the gesture better than the first. Back to the second again. Hmm, now I'm thinking I really don't love either. Back to the first one...but it's a long shot and it's a wedding and couples want long shots from their wedding. Ok, keep it. Then delete the 2nd one. It's *this* process that I just described that takes a long, long, long time. If I was simply evaluating for "is this estetically a good photo?" it would be much quicker and easier. Or would it? I am super critical and look at the most minute details and seek perfection. How do I stop this and make things go quicker? -
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Wed, January 3, 2007 - 1:37 PMXine I have the same problem you have. I shoot in a photojournalistic style, in my case it is the same story everywhere I go. Politician shows up, gives a accolade to the reciever. Receiver makes a speech. Ribbon cutting, collect names....return to the office..go thru the images as you describe pick out the best one out of a batch of 300 plus images.
I've gotten better over the last two years. I agree if you have another eye. read my posting of NY Times article on photo editing it would help some. -
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Wed, January 3, 2007 - 7:27 PMBut picture this: you need to pick the best one(s) of the politician showing up, the best one(s) giving an accolate, best making a speech, best of ribbon cutting, best collecting names, etc. You have 10 of the politician showing up. In one the composition is excellent but the politician's hand is raised and he's wearing a white glove that because of its raised position is too close to your flash so it's completely blown out even though the rest of the photo is perfectly lit and composed. You have another similar shot but a car drove part-way into your photo so the composition is not quite as strong. Another shot is also good but someone is making a strange face that is distracting. Is it too distracting? Is it better than the blown out highlights in the glove shot? Can you find another glove shot that you could somehow Photoshop into your nearly perfect but blown out highlights glove shot? We're still talking about the first required shot with the politician simply showing up. We have yet to even look at all the other ones we need.
I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I also want to be clear. Maybe the answer is to be *more* photojournalistic (and less photodocumentarian) and be clear to clients. "I might not get a photo of him putting the ring on your finger; are you ok with that?" I just fear people want the shot of the politican, the accolade, the speech, the ribbon, cutting and the name collection and if you don't get them all (but still take kickass photos that convey the sentiment of the day and tell the story), someone is going to say "But where's a photo of the ribbon cutting?" -
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Wed, January 3, 2007 - 7:41 PMI just watched the PBS documentary on Annie Leibovitz, and she had a photo editor who was able to pick out 300 images out in 3 minutes. She forced Annie to look at her work and make most use of the model's with the photographer's time.
I believe one has to get better technically and so that little time is wasted getting the crrect exposure. Pre shoot the scene before the subject/model get there. Setup the shot in your head where everything is going to be. Position yourself to be in that room, place location angle before hand.
Make sketches and work out the scene...PREvisualize...
www.pbs.org/wnet/america...bovitz_a.html
her later work, she did all of that... -
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Wed, January 3, 2007 - 8:20 PMCompletely OT but damn, that woman gave birth for the first time at 52? Damn!
You can't compare studio photography to every-changing-locations event photography that can often include dark interiors, outdoor shade, blinding sun, dusk, and night...all for one shoot!
Yes, I want a photo editor! And Annie's 4 assistants! (not really on the assistants...maybe just one would be nice) -
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Wed, January 3, 2007 - 8:29 PMShe was a photojournalist for Rolling Stone Magazine before they gave her the big sudio budgets, so I will disagree with u.. yes I could use a stylist and an assistant too.
What I think she does differently is she thinks about the scene in her head, and how she is going to shoot it..Her later work she did a lot of preplanning.
Also she realized the moment and is aware of things happening around her, in which there was key instances which she seeked. She never did that in her earlier work, but more in her later studio work. She never considered herself a fashion photog, but Vanity Fair got her to do cover shots..because it increased ciculation for the magazine esp after the demi moore pregancy shot.
She was lover to Susan Sontag, and I am sure it was artifical insemination. Two eggs don't make a baby...:)
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Thu, January 4, 2007 - 10:05 PMC1 pro.
best editing software ever hands down. I earn a living as a freelance photography tech for some of the best in the biz. I have very high end clientell & some not so high end clientelle (geez hope I spelled clientelle properly LOL). anyway, I am well known in the digital tech world in NYC (by many anyway not by all). So I get to work with several softwares & test some of the newer ones out. nothing even comes close to C1pro. apereture is a piece of garbage, don't even think about it. it handles files like iphoto which is a joke for workflow. those programs are great for prosumers, or serious hobbyists, but not for professional workflow. Bridge has a tendancy to clip image information with Leaf files, therefore making me a bit skeptical how it handles other files. also, you can't multiprocess. In C1Pro, you can set up several batches simultanieously to different folders which is neccessary to my busy workflow. for Ex: you can shoose a few images to process out adobe 1998 to folder A as 16 bit tiffs, & as soon as you hit process, you can set up 5 more images to process as srgb jpgs to folder b at the same time. the others are running in the background, so you don't have to wait for them to finish before you set up the other process batches. If for some reason you set up a slew of images, but find that you need one processed right away, then you can pause all other images so the one you want will process 1st., even if it's in the middles of the batch que. no other software does that that I've seen (Imacon might I haven't seen it in a while & Leaf 10 may also, but those two softwares a proprietary anyway -
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Thu, January 4, 2007 - 10:10 PManyone wxanting a better workflow, please feel free to contact me directly at samiamfoto@gmail.com cheers
www.samiamfoto.com
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Sat, January 6, 2007 - 8:36 PMAre you referring to Capture One Pro? If so, you might also want to mention it's only for use with RAW files. I was so excited by your description that I downloaded a trial copy of it only to find it's only for RAW. I shoot jpeg so it doesn't help me. But now I have a way to process RAW files and will hopefully do some test shots of RAW to see what it's all about. -
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Sat, January 6, 2007 - 8:47 PMXine I suggest u shoot RAW its much better since I switched it is soooo easy to colour correct..and some day your best work can be printed as exhibition quality.. -
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Sun, January 7, 2007 - 3:26 PMBut the cost is pretty steep. If you shoot 1000+ images per shoot in RAW...how many CF cards is that? It's an investment that I'm not ready to make yet. -
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Sun, January 7, 2007 - 3:51 PMI depends on how big your camera creates the RAW files ,right now 1 GB cards are $25 per piece. -
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Sun, January 7, 2007 - 4:29 PMMy camera (Nikon D200) will put 240 RAW images on a 4 gig card so that would be 60 images on a little bitty 1 gig card -- it would feel a bit nostalgic like in the days of constantly swapping out rolls of film. If you want to have the ability to shoot 1200 images, thats 5 4 gig cards or that would be 20 1 gig cards which would be $500 -- quite an investment. -
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Sun, January 7, 2007 - 4:57 PMyou need to pass the cost as a business expense..didn't your accountant tell you anything? Ridata 150x 8GB cards are about $150, I paid $188 this sumer for them, I own four, and usually shoot 3 cards when I go out thats about 490 images per card.
www.meritline.com/ridata-8g...-card.html
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Fri, March 2, 2007 - 9:33 AMI average about 10 Gig for a wedding I shoot all formals/wedding raw and the reception in jpg High. I carry with me 10- 1gb lex pro cards and 10 -2gb lex pro cards.. I prefer to have smaller cards. Changing them out is much quicker then film (remember those days) and IF a card fails you only loose those shots. I have only ever had one card fail… and I recovered 90% of the data. I also carry up a backup device you just put the card in and it auto copies to a internal hard drive.
Back in the film days I would loose rolls occasionally. (The lab would screw up probably only like 3 rolls ever)
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